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“…the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power.” (Source: Lucius Ferraris, in “Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica”, Volume V, article on “Papa, Article II”, titled “Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and […]
First published in 2009:
Dr. Gill on Revelation 9:11 :
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Rev 9:11 – And they had a king over them,….
Which natural locusts have not, Pro_30:27; by whom is meant the false prophet Mahomet, who was at the head of the Saracens, and led them on to commit the outrages they did; and is believed in by the Turks to this day, as the great prophet of God, and by them preferred to all prophets, not only to Moses, but to Jesus Christ; he is the king of the eastern locusts, as the pope of Rome is the king of the western ones; for the Romish antichrist reigns, or at least has reigned, over the kings of the earth, Rev_17:17
which is the angel of the bottomless pit; to whom the key of it was given, Rev_9:1
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon; both which signify a “destroyer”; and are very applicable both to Mahomet, who by his imposture has been the cause of the destruction of multitudes of souls, as well as by his wars, and those of the Saracens and Turks, of the lives of millions, and of the ruin of many kingdoms, countries, cities, and towns. Abulpharagius (w), an Arabic writer, relates, that in the times of the Chalif Al-walid, there was one Hejajus, who had caused to be slain, of the chief and illustrious men, an hundred and twenty thousand, besides others of the common people, and that fell in war; moreover, that there died in his prison fifty thousand men, and thirty thousand women: and the same writer reports (x), that the famous Abu Moslem put to death six hundred thousand men, who were known, besides those that were unknown, and whom he slew in wars and battles: both these instances are taken notice of by Mr. Daubuz, who justly observes, that surely nothing can come near this “Abaddon”, but the beast, the son of perdition, 2Th_2:3. And to him, the pope of Rome, may the name be truly applied, who has led thousands into perdition, and will go into it himself; and both he, and the false prophet, with the devil, will be east into the lake, which burns with fire and brimstone, and will be tormented for ever and ever, 2Th_2:4. “Abaddon”, with the Jews, is one of the habitations or apartments of hell (y), because it destroys all; “Apollyon” is the same with “Apollo”, the god of the Heathens, who has his name from destroying (z).
Hist. Dynast. p. 129. Dya. 9. (x) lb. p. 140. (y) T. Bab. Erubin, fol. 19. 1. Zohar in Gen. fol. 47. 2. & in Numb. fol. 74. 2. Yalkut Simeoni, par. 2. fol. 47. 3. & 93. 4. Raziel, fol. 14. 2. & 35. 2. (z) Phurnutus de Natura Deorum, p. 92. Macrob. Saturnal. l. 1. c. 17.
First published in 2009:
One of the names for Allah is Al-Mumit which means “the Destroyer” and is also translated as “the Creator of Death, the Slayer and the Life-Taker.”
Exodus 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
The LORD hath said unto me, Thou are my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
“Wilhelmus à Brakel, a contemporary of Voetius and Witsius, was a major representative of the Dutch Further Reformation. This movement was contemporaneous with and greatly influenced by English Puritanism.” Wikipedia
THE TWO WITNESSES (taken from The Tragic Aftermath of Futurism)
see also The Witness of the Church
In Revelation 11:3-12 is described the two witnesses with their work, their death and their resurrection. From the fundamentalist, Futuristic standpoint of Biblical interpretation of prophecy, it is commonly taught that the two witnesses are two men of the Old Testament era that have been resurrected or either the two men of the Old Testament that did not die and therefore are brought back into their physical bodies and placed back on this earth as the two witnesses. Ordinarily, it is believed that the two witnesses are either Moses and Elijah, Elijah and Enoch or Moses and Enoch. There is quite a dispute over the difference of opinion as to which of the two men of these three it will be. These three men have been chosen because their lives, while they were on earth in their physical bodies, are somewhat a type of the work and description of the two witnesses described in Revelation 11. Staying true with the text, we are given the best clue as to their identity in verse four.
First, let us ascertain from the Old Testament who God refers to as His two witnesses. In Isaiah 43:10 it is stated unto Jacob which is inclusive of both houses of Israel, “Ye are my witnesses saith God and my servant whom I have chosen. . .” The prophet is referring to Jacob, yet he says, ye are my witnesses, which denotes more than one or a plurality of witnesses. In Isaiah 44:8 it is stated, “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? Ye are even my witnesses.”
Here again, God is speaking through the prophet unto Jacob His servant, that the house or family of Jacob are His witnesses. In Revelation 11:3 the possessive personal pronoun “my” is used again as it was in both Scriptures in Isaiah. He says, “I will give power unto my two witnesses.” “My” must have an antecedent which is referring back to the angel in verse one. This angel is Jesus Christ. He is telling us through the prophet Isaiah, who His witnesses are. Does Christ have different witnesses than what is stated in the Old Testament? No, His witnesses would be the same.
In Psalm 114:2 the Psalmist speaks of Judah as being the Lord’s sanctuary while Israel as being His dominion. This denotes a two-fold office of religious and civil authority within the family of Jacob.
In Revelation 11:4 we are given a strong clue as to the identity of these two witnesses by the reference to the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the whole earth. In Haggai 1:1 and 14 is mentioned two men and their respective offices which were instrumental in the restoration of the city of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile. Joshua the High Priest and Zerubbabel the Governor are the two men which are types of the two witnesses of Revelation 11. It is very significant to remember that the two God-given institutions that were reestablished during this post-exilic era were civil authority under the leadership of Zerubbabel the Governor and religious authority under Joshua the High Priest. The parallel remains the same. Those two institutions are civil authority and religious authority under the dual office of the Messiah originally intended to be exercised through His Church in His Kingdom. Someday Jesus Christ will execute full authority in both of these offices as is reflected in His title, King of kings and Lord of lords.
The three and a half prophetic days or three and a half literal years covers the period of time of May 5th 1545, the date of the fifth Lateran Council to October 31, 1517, when Martin Luther nailed his ninety-five thesis to the Wittenberg Castle Church door in Germany. During this time there were no protestant voices crying out against the corruption of Papal Rome. The bodies of the two witnesses were “dead” (11:18) and the Papal Church of Rome rejoiced (11:10).
Through proper Biblical interpretation, while allowing the Scriptures to speak for themselves, we are given a clean understanding who the two witnesses are. While following the Futuristic scheme ‘Protestants’ remain in darkness and once again bow to the bidding of the Jesuits.
“Jewish fables (literally, myths) are no new thing. Paul has plainly warned the household of faith not to give heed thereto. He has not given us a list of those grievous heresies; but it is well known that the one that was most fondly cherished, and that constituted the gravest menace to the truth of the gospel, was the notion that the leading purpose of the mission of the coming Messiah would be the reconstitution of the Jewish nation and its elevation to the highest pinnacle of earthly dominion and glory; for that fatuous doctrine was the cornerstone of orthodox Judaism in Paul’s day; and because of his sturdy opposition to it he was persecuted, his enemies plotted to take his life, and he was sent a prisoner to Rome. No wonder that, during the term of his imprisonment there, he wrote to Titus his plain-spoken warning against “Jewish fables.”
Such being the case, we question if there be anything in all the long history of Christianity that is more difficult to account for than the fact that that particular fable, concerning the purpose of Christ’s mission to the Jewish people, has become the central feature of a system of doctrine which, in this 20th century of our era, has found numerous and zealous advocates amongst orthodox Christians. In view of this extraordinary phenomenon, it surely behooves those who take the Holy Scriptures for their guide and instructor in all matters of faith and doctrine, to search them with the utmost care “whether these things be so.” This present volume is the result of a painstaking investigation of that important question.” – Philip Mauro
Dr. Michael L. Brown posted the following question on facebook: “Do you think the Pope is born again?”
Dr. James White replied:
“…can a man be born again and allow himself to be called by the names of the Trinity? The Pope is called Holy Father, a title used only of God the Father in Scripture. As a Roman priest he was identified as an “alter Christus,” “another Christ,” at his ordination. And he is called the Vicar of Christ, and that, we know, is the role and function of the Holy Spirit. He heads a church which enslaves millions with a gospel that can never give peace. So I think the answer to that one is really, really clear.”
My question to those who read my blog, “Who, according to scripture, would seek God’s titles, call himself another Christ, pretend to sit in the place of Christ and rule over the church in place of Jesus Christ?”
It seems Dr. White’s comment stirred up a little discussion. Dr. White continues,
“The ‘responses’ my comment has received are sadly enlightening. Almost none, of course, have actually been responses in the sense of actually dealing with my argument. But dealing with arguments is the trait of the Old World, where the CONTENT of speech was the focus. Now we are surrounded by people who ignore CONTENT and replace that with FEELINGS so that it is the pattern of speech, the emotional response to speech, that matters. The prime example is someone named Alfa Perspective:”
and Dr White what miracle have you performed lately ?! your hatred for the Catholic church is really disturbing….I wonder what your real motives are …? If you really love Jesus you would not divide his followers more…..but unite them…..I wonder what agenda you are following blindly or willingly….to preach Jesus you need more than just words……and all you got are just words….so if you are using Jesus as a means to divide the church…. your sin is so great…may the love of Christ set you on the right path Dr White just because you have Phds from different universities , this does not make you a real follower of Jesus….; you can steal some wandering sheep from here and there……but at the end God will be the judge ……I hope you are not betraying Christ….
Even the devil knows that the bible is true…; the devil is using Jesus name to weaken his church and divide the believers;the Catholic Church has been around for over 2000 years……;the Catholic Church is the true Shepherd …..others are not…..so Dr White which side are you on ?!
Frighteningly, this same Alfa Perspective then linked to…Theodore Shoebat (a sure sign of being massively imbalanced). Another person, Seraphim Hamilton, wrote:
Hi Dr. White. This is a pretty superficial analysis. Don’t you think that, even if it is not wise, it might be possible for a man to allow someone to use those titles while meaning different things? For example, you call yourself a Christian, meaning little Christ. If you meant that you were eternally generated from Christ, this would be blasphemy. But that isn’t what you mean- likewise, Roman Catholics believe that the pope is a visible image of God’s paternity- just as Paul says all paternity derives from the paternity of the Father relative to His Son.
The fact that any of these folks actually think that their replies are even slightly relevant to the argument I presented is shocking, and yet, this is the kind of irrationality that prevails in our modern age.”
Thank you Dr. White for standing for the Gospel against the pretenders!
The last few weeks I’ve been reading and engaging with Christians on different forums over the subject of the End Times. It has been challenging and worth while, I pray others feel the same after interacting with me. Having been challenged and willing to seek answers I was reminded of Dark Day Ministries and thought I should share a video before I forgot to pass it on.